Talk:Winniesoon

//Hi Winnie, What is everyday software? You mentioned to me you were interested in exploring timeliness and untimeliness in relation to execution, how might this and temporality and reflationality be in tension with the idea of an object that is continuous? Are you saying code as an object is continous? - Helen

//Hi Winnie! This pointing towards the many other object relations at play in much code execution today sounds like a very helpful point to make, and the terminology of “executing commands” is a good one. It will be interesting to see how you define or relate to notions of “interior” and “exterior” relations (or intra-/extra- relationalities). I’m not quite sure how to define this either, and it is a key part of Howse’s writing. Where or why does one darmarcate an “interior” of code? Is it helpful to think of a kind of “skin” or shell to source code (which as Wendy Chun shows us is already a problematic notion) that is then punctuated or opened up by its executing in the world? Its an important question for me and partly what I’m trying to work through in my paper. As Helen says, maybe the temporal aspect is key in this (and moves away from the kind of spatial metaphors of interior/exterior). -Eric

//hey miss. I am wondering which examples of executing commands you will be looking at, and whether you will look into the ‘human’ cultural apparatus mingling with the non-humans or not. echoing helen and eric the intra/extra is problematic (especially following ‘intra-actions’). how do you think of this intra/extra? about ‘continuous’, how do you see this together with your ideas about ruptures, discontinuity, recursions, (and other mathematical/machinic calculations of time)? -audrey

// Hi Winnie, (How) will you relate to the politics of executing commands? It would be helpful to know more about the case-studies/examples that you will be examining. Will you connect to spam or similar “dark sides” of our everyday software culture or were you thinking of something like the backend of say, city infrastructure? The exterior/interior of code for me is a difficult term. And I wonder if Murphie's “intra-and-extra- relationalities“ are not pointing more towards the performativity of code than actual spatiality? (- however, as I haven't read his text, it is really just wondering from my own POV :) /linda

//Hi all, thanks for all your feedback and these push me further to make my underlying thinking on ‘time’ to spell out. I actually want to tie with temporalities (yes eric and helen), but still thinking about ways and good references in doing so. Currently i am looking at Ernst - ...ELSE LOOP FOREVER. The Untimelessness of Media and other references too. Re linda, Murphie’s text is more about performativity and I found his works quite well connected with my thinking and of course, temporalities is connected with performativity. I don’t think I will use spam in this case, but more select a few software/net artworks (e.g Summer, Endless War and Pirate cinema) to discuss through my thinking. Ok, i have my revised abstract now. /Winnie

//now im curious what aspect of time/temporality you will discuss in the works you just mentioned above - i see an interesting range of temporality discussions emerging (‘liveness’/’flatness’/’fragmented’...). add oil, looking forward to read next steps :)

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